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Today’s question:
“Safe injection sites” provide a space where addicts can inject drugs under the supervision of trained staff.
QUESTION: Do you think safe injection sites are a good or bad idea?
Talk about it….
Bad idea. If the addicts want to use drugs and they over dose, good, let them die, thats what they wanted and thats what they deserve for doing hard drugs that will kill them eventually.
Free needles, free Heroin, free Fentanyl… and no emergency response or resuscitation. Problem solves itself.
It’s a bad idea. It’s practically legalizing illegal drug use. What ever happened to Prop 36, mandatory treatment for drug offenders???
With drug use comes an increase in crime, let’s put the safe injection sites in the politicians backyard.
Prop 47 killed Prop 36.
It’s that simple.
@kilo
Thanks! I forgot about Prop 47 & 57.
Gross…just plain gross
Bad
Do we provide an alcoholic a safe place to drink or are we then an enabler?
Addiction is addiction…
Agree 100%…..
@S
Yes we do provide alcoholics a safe place to drink. It’s called a bar.
But a bar is privately owned and operated.
Wrongo TRex….
Bars are often time dangerous places….
What are they injecting. If they inject some bad stuff then what. Look they are druggies. They pay their money and they take their chances. No injection sites. Put a sign on the door, “Go To Rehab”.
Their Body, Their Choice
As long as the government keeps these drugs illegal then they should have to provide a safe place.
As long as the Government decides what people can and cannot do with their bodies – they take ownership.
Brilliant logic!
As long as murder is illegal, government should provide a safe place to kill people.
so people should be allowed to be drugged up and out of touch with realty in our civil society? such that we when they show up at your door, thinking you are some monster and kill you, that would be OK? of course you’d be dead, so would that be OK with your family?
society must require minimums of behavior, like being able to rationally interact with other members.
i think russia likes druggies, take the burnie tour, have a memorable time.
God Bless!
Life is a series of choices. If you choose to pollute your body, you have ownership of it, not the taxpayers.
Rob just passed Popcorn in the race for the dumbest, least though out post of all time.
Congratulation, “Winner”!
Cowellian wins the “I think before I type” award. Well said, sir!
Cool! So when is the government going to provide safe places for us to shoot machine guns, lob grenades, etc ?
🙂
Pleases do not vote Rob.
Yes, it’s their body, their choice. I think people should be able to put whatever they want into their own bodies, within the confines of their residence. Problems arise when individual choices effect (or infect) other people negatively. It’s nasty when spent needles are discarded near the same sidewalks that kids walk on while barefoot. I have almost ran over syringes with exposed needles while riding my bicycle, and feeling a sense of responsibility, I stopped, tried to destroy it without risking my own safety. One thing I know about (most) drug addicts is, they are some of the most selfish and self-righteous people in existence. I am on the fence regarding the so-called, “safe injection sites”. The drug epidemic is never going to go away, and putting people in prison is not going to solve the problem,…in my opinion. However, I don’t want to enable drug user stupidity on taxpayer dollars.
@Cowellian
They do. It is called abortion clinics.
So let me get this straight. You want the working class to pay for everything people who won’t join society want? If that’s the case I want a house in the piedmont hills overlooking the city and minimum 4 strippers on rotation and a personal chief with daily wine delivery.
@S
i am with you but least we forget congressmen weiner says pedophiles should get a break… nuf said?
It’s basically assisted suicide.in the long run.
Enabling drug addicts is insane and guess who pays for it?
I know this is off of the subject but had to try and sneak this in. Yesterday Newscum celebrated indigenous people day and didn’t mention Columbus. I thought that was bad until I heard Channel two news last night when Julie covering the story referred to Columbus as the Spanish explorer. Poor Columbus gets no respect anymore. I still love him.
Just food for thought, I find this situation similar to underage drinking and drug usage with teenagers. I know some families have set ups where they tell their teen if they are going to drink or smoke, they need to do it in their own house to make sure they are safe. Does this lead the teen to do more drugs and drinking, or did they learn safe habits?
I would have to see the numbers to really form an opinion.
BAD, how is this even a question, let’s put money that we don’t have to keep people addicted…
I’m so glad we just think and feel our way through things around here. How about looking outside the box and asking why these are even a thing?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/07/645609248/whats-the-evidence-that-supervised-drug-injection-sites-save-lives
BAD! There should be more programs to get people off drugs instead of “safely” use them. Go after the dealers and their bosses instead.
Any legislation for safe injection sites needs to have a section requiring that each proposed site have an impact study, and a thorough public hearing and comment period. I already have tweakers living in the bushes in my neighborhood, who come out at night to smash car windows, start brush fires, and generally strew trash everywhere they go. Last thing this neighborhood needs is to draw in the heroin addicts too, so they can dump their free, state provided needles everywhere.
I am 9 years from my pension. I don’t think this state will stave off implosion long enough to make it there. The insanity that is proposed on a near daily basis blows my mind.
One party rule is a terrible idea.
I’m in favor, but they have to be within 25 feet of the homes of high ranking California politicians. That is the only requirement.
Also we need safe beer drinking sites, where couches, clean glasses, pinball machines, pool tables, cigars and dancing women will be provided in order to ensure alcoholism doesn’t spill out dangerously into the streets.
Makes as much sense as Safe Jerkoff Sites
Wow! You all need to read a little bit more. This is to give the addicts additional help by connecting with them as they get their safe injections! They get placed in facilities that can help their addiction. Otherwise they are invisible.
The safe jerkoff site already exists… it’s called Sacramento.
@ Bob-
The government giving addicts (of whatever ilk) a helping hand to partake of their chosen vice is immoral. Period, Full Stop.
@ Popcorn-
I’m sure that you could offer these poor souls comfort and solace by offering your own personal living room as a safe place to shoot up. You could give them a nice cup of tea and help them find a functional vein. I’m assuming that your Rossmoor home is safe.
You could also dispose of the used needles to save others from the addict’s potential infections. You could offer a warm meal to these fine folks and eat with them while you counsel them on their vice. Then you could pat yourself on the back for the “good” that you have brought to the world.
Show you care, NIMBY!
And finally, they are not invisible. They shoot up on BART and in front of City Hall. You trip over them as they lay in a stupor across the sidewalk. You get to fend off their aggressive panhandling. If you are one of the truly lucky ones, then you get to take a little bit home with you on the bottom of your shoes. They are only invisible to those who live in expensive, gated communities.
We should all live in Popcorn’s naive bubble at Fossilmoor
Great idea, once the addict comes in, follow him to his dealer, follow that dealer to his source and on and on and then arrest them all.
By the look of some of your comments you all seem to lack a college level education. If you knew anything about addiction you would agree with safe injection sights. I too used to think this was counterproductive but I educated myself and I hope you all do too.i recommend you look into Jessica Kent on YouTube. She is a recovering drug addict that served time in Arkansas and gave birth and got sober in prisons. She know has a lovely family with a house and a bachelors degree in psychology and continuing her studies to achieve her masters. Please look into addiction it’s much more than just a choice.
You’re right it’s more then a choice. It’s a continual series of repetitive bad choices that are harmful and destructive. Every day is a choice. Prolonging and coddling dope heads is aiding criminal activity. What did they do to get there fix? Providing a safe space for criminals to celebrate their most recent come up is not helping anyone.
Actually you are 100% wrong, I am an alcoholic and quit 10 years ago on my own choice and choose to stay sober each and every day. The mindset and provision of safe sites, needles etc enables addiction and you know it.
It sounds like you have more experience with addiction than I do, so I will respect your opinion. In fact, I have no experience with addiction. But I do have lots of experience with paying taxes. Given a choice to fund worthy causes, this would be one toward the bottom of my list. Combating child abuse, trafficking, funding education for the poor, mental health, etc. would all be higher on my list.
Key point being “got sober in prisons”.
These poor souls are being deprived of that opportunity.
Oooh…you’re better than me .
You went to COLLAGE! We are all a bunch of hicks and lowlifes to you.
*ugh*
It is likely that it is “good for” people shooting drugs and not so good for the neighborhood. This was tried in other countries. It won’t reduce use. It might keep dirty needles off the streets and thrown in bushes.
And *ugh* again.
I thought that the main reason for injection sites and free syringes was to stop addicts from reusing dirty needles and flooding emergency rooms for treatment of hepatitis.
@Kirkwood I think it is promoted as a harm reduction. I’m not so sure it does reduce harm.
I’m not sure what the solution is because some people are incurable junkies (and *ugh* again). Some are incurable and also hold jobs in professions. There are white collar junkies. (*Ugh*) I suppose these clients for the shooting site are the people who are poor and therefore creating a visible problem.
Would that be possession of a controlled substance or possession of paraphernalia how would that work
No one has yet to mention that clean needle exchanges and safe injection sites are known public health harm reduction programs. Yes, drugs are illegal and addicting, but no one has been able to create a successful program to stop that, at least you can target reducing the spread of HIV and other infectious diseases that come about as a result of unsafe injecting.
The measure required misdemeanor sentencing instead of felony as long as $950 limit was not exceeded for the following crimes:
Shoplifting, Grand theft, Receiving stolen property, Forgery, Fraud, Writing a bad check and the big one Personal use of most illegal drugs.
Loss of Felony charge stripped Judges of the ability to impose a harsh Felony sentence in State Prison.
Felony sentence was leverage for the Judges to FORCE defendants to hit bottom and clean up their act.
Judge would stay Felony sentence under conditions, 3 – 5 years probation, random drug testing, mandatory 12 step meetings, no new crimes. Failure resulted in entire State Prison sentence being served.
Judges save many lives with that method.
Prop 47 was supposed to be the answer for DAMAGE AB-109 did to jail systems of all 58 counties in CA.
FECKLESS members of CA state legislature corrected their State Prison overcrowding problem by forcing it down onto the counties. County jail systems, because of overcrowding, have been turned in farcical revolving door jokes.
Additionally state parole system is a joke as well. For 98% of parole violators the most they can get for a violation is 180 days in COUNTY JAIL. An to add insult counties are now responsible to supervise parolees.
This is what liberals did to CA while you were not supervising them,
https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/justice/california-sex-offenders-released/
https://abc7.com/archive/8560757/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039106/California-sex-offender-guilty-murdering-4-women.html
Keep electing liberals for more of this.
Allowing a Church to go from 25 to 50% capacity is useless if attendance is still capped at 100. Our Sanctuary is rated for 1,200 occupants. Where is the science in this restriction? Where is the equity? I call B.S. on this entire scam.
I wouldn’t want to have to look at it or explain it to kids. I wouldn’t want one in or near my neighborhood. I can’t imagine how it would work. Addicts are everywhere, and I don’t imagine many would want to travel too far when they need a dose. But if it would keep used needles from cluttering beaches, parks, playgrounds, gutters, sidewalks, parking lots, etc., etc., etc., it could be worth thinking about.
Trained staff? How does that look on a CV? Hi, I am trained in monitoring H addicts injecting themselves; I watch them load the syringe (making sure they use a clean, tax payer provided needle), ensure they don’t overtighten the tourniquet, and then watch as they do whatever it is h addicts do, safely. I went to medical/nursing school for 2-6 years to be a meth addict babysitter. At least that (former) business was kind enough to fail so that tax payers can fund its use as official opium den.
No. Not a good idea.
Trained staff would be current or former drug dealers, drug users, etc
These sites can be the first step in someone seeking help and turning their life around. Safe sites have medical staff, and drug abuse counselors. Users can work with staff to tier down their doses, with the hopeful goal of eventually quitting. The medical staff can also test drugs to look for fentanyl, to prevent someone from unknowingly injecting fentanyl.
Send the junkies to Portland.
If it’s good for the junkies, then it should be as good or better for the death row inmates. Don’t discriminate!
An issue that has not been addressed here yet is that of first-time users looking for a “safe” way of being introduced to heavy, life-altering drugs.
Imagine you are young, homeless, and new to living on the streets of SF. Maybe you’re fresh off the Greyhound, maybe you’ve taken BART here to escape whatever hellish situation you weren’t brave enough to leave until now.
You make “friends” and eventually, someone offers you a syringe. Yikes. You know that could mean AIDS or death. UNLESS…you go to the safe injection site. Now it’s not as scary. Why not just get high???
This is a terrible REALITY, occurring in Vancouver and Seattle today. I have seen and read interviews with nurses who describe the heartbreaking details of having to “monitor” young people mostly seeking escape, but walking a razor’s edge, not yet full-blown addicts. I will post videos/articles as I find them (I don’t have anything bookmarked).
Something similar happened to a friend of mine years ago because he perceived that getting high in a hotel room with a nursing student who had clean paraphernalia was completely different than shooting up in a dark alley using dirty needles. RIP.
ahhhh….one more thing….the junkie with addiction and now a safe injection site will care about nothing more than his next fix….and lose control. Look at SF and the feces all over the place….I have had contact with the heroin addicts that crap all over themselves etc and dont even know it….
Anything Scott Wiener is for, I’m against. He’s authored dangerous and immoral legislation.Think he’s up for re-election in San Francisco this November.
San Francisco is long gone thanks to people like weenie, brownie, greasy and breeder. They love the scum. By comparison they feel good. The lower the standards the better they appear. Scum can vote and will vote liberal. Votes mean they will stay in power.
These websites explain everything:
https://leaveyourdailyhell.com/2020/04/12/i-hate-san-francisco/#bro
Homeless can vote. Source: https://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-in-your-state/special-circumstances/voting-and-homelessness/
Criminals can vote. Source: https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/voting-in-jails/
Horrible idea! I don’t knew I comes up with these crazy ideas????? You may as well provide the drugs too that way they can reassure the addicts that the drugs are high quality , may as well give them a weekly drug stipend too. Bunch of shenanigans running the show.
So we should reward bad behavior? Drugs are bad, but go ahead and shoot up here? This is exactly what Hope Johnson wanted when she ran for office in SF.
If a person chose to do drugs, then they should be responsible enough to find their own clean needles, and a “safe” space to do them?
Afraid of HIV or Hep or scary places when using your hard drugs? Here’s a thought: Don’t do drugs!
I think the main thing we are missing here is that it’s obviously on the liberal progressive checklist and will most definitely pass and be built and operational before the schools even open. The state has no money to open the schools but this is the focus. This is ONE party in California doing this.
Building opium dens, emptying the jails and legalizing pedophilia instead of opening schools and helping the homeless. Can’t keep the electricity on, no money to open schools, the roads don’t get fixed, taxed to death, and this. California is a shi*hole and they are using COVID as their excuse to ram through a sick agenda.
@Cowellian
They do. It is called abortion clinics.
Nancy says everybody get high and vote Democrat, Nancy knows what’s best for you.
Bad Idea. It would make it easier for addicts to shoot up. Encourage usage. Drug addicts were not worried about their health when they first tried drugs, why should tax payers.
Doesn’t UC Berkeley have a Master’s program in Safe Drug Injection Management?
I believe active participation and full credits can be accessed virtually by basement dwellers. Problem solved Grandma!
Sure as long as they’re all in San Francisco. Since Wiener is pushing this his constituents must want it. Let them live with the consequences these will bring to the neighboring area.
These sites will bring crime, vagrancy, drug use, etc. These are essentially death to any community, go look at Civic Center to see what rampant drug use and homelessness looks like.
Civic Center, the main library, and environs are completely infested with the street scum and their tents, sex, drugs. On the brighter side, the area surrounds the seat of power and those that support the liberal agenda. Justice comes in many forms.
People like Scott Wiener are comfortable being surrounded by filth and crime. For him, it’s “Authentic San Francisco Culture”. What he forgets is that business, conventions, and tourists have abandoned San Francisco. Without that revenue, who is going to pay for everything? Oh yeah, Federal assistance.
@Cat’sMeow. Take the chill pill kitty cat and reread my post! Perhaps you attended that program. I’m by no means in favor of those injection sites! I am also aware of how colleges and universities promote illegal immigration, drug use, indiscriminate sexual activity and all of those actions that are causing the failure of society. Learn how to read!
We need to make illegal drugs and drug use legal in a safe environment, this will stop a huge percentage is f black market drug dealing, and will cut down jail populations. Out government does not want to stop black market drug trafficking. If the u.s wanted to end drug dealing/smuggling they could. We let mexico bring us drugs. 35,000 were killed last year on mexico. We’ve invaded countries for less.
“legal in a safe environment”
That will only happen IF politicians are excluded.
No taxes.
They “legalized” POT, then slapped on fees, licenses, and tax. Oh and they claimed by legalizing, there’d be a reduction in crime. Has had the opposite effect.
Politicians not only did not get the millions and millions they expected in taxes, fees, etc but black market is flourishing as users seek out lowest priced pot.
Each year since it passed more tax dollars are allocated toward enforcement, criminal sales and now state tax evasion.