The “Water Cooler” is a feature on CLAYCORD.com where we will ask you a question or provide a topic, and you will talk about it.
The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon.
Today’s question:
Prop.47, the initiative that reduces the classification of most “nonserious and nonviolent property and drug crimes” from a felony to a misdemeanor, passed in California in 2014.
Did you vote “yes” or “no” for prop.47? If you had to vote today, would you vote the same, or have you changed your mind?
Talk about it….
The same way I voted then. NO.
I voted and would vote to keep it as a felony. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. We got soft on crime … look where we are today in a mere 7-8 years …
Same as I voted last time NO!!!!!
I would vote no again and if I was elected governor I would have a prison system the was the envy of the world. There would be one hell of a mountain of very small rocks.
No before, No again.
I wrote in death penalty. ( not sure if my vote counted )
I never voted for it in the first place. Can we have a do-over?
I would vote the same today as I did in 2014—-NO
Never give a criminal a break. If they can’t follow the law, then lock ’em up. If it’s their third strike, lock ’em up and give ’em the maximum the law allows. If the prisons are overcrowded, stack ’em on top of each other, or build more prisons.
“Non-serious and nonviolent property and drug crimes,” don’t mean anything. With plea deals being made, we don’t really know if the crime was indeed non-serious, or nonviolent. Just because a person is convicted of a nonviolent crime, doesn’t mean the actual act wasn’t violent.
I voted no then and I would vote No now. Lock them up !
I voted no last time and would absolutely do the same.
The only reason it passed was they gave it a phony name: “The safe neighborhood and schools act”. Kamala Harris was the one that named it when she was our attorney general in California. She knew the trickery she was doing. Unfortunately gullible voters who don’t read and study up on their candidates and propositions, fell for it. We’ve all been suffering for it ever since! But shame on Kamala Harris.
If it was a felony then, I voted no against reducing it. If I had to vote on the question again I return those so called misdemeanors back to felonies.
funny thing is i cant find anyone who voted for any of the dems new laws
they claim people voted
they have numbers
but whos
It’s Dominion doncha know.
I voted no but it passed. Larry Elder wants to repeal it so Police have some power again. Dixie Fire started bt dead tree fling into PG&E poll so I’m voting to #RecallGavinNrwsom because he cut the wildfire budget and misled taxpayers on the actual amount of clean-up that was completed. Gavin has already wasted a ton of money and is giving us the same crappy PG&E grid Texas has for 25% more in cost per month. Voting Larry Elder because Gavin has some nerve forcing poison vaccine from Liar Faucci eho has been sending U.S. money to China. #Biden murdering traitor is not telling me what to do.
Voted No before, so will vote No again.
NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! A thousand times NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What was the reasoning behind Prop. 47? We have to call our representatives – that is their job to explain.
Was to reduce prison population so we don’t have overcrowding?
According to this editorial in the LA Times written by Newt Gingrich the reasoning behind Prop 47 was to reduce the prison population and to reduce violent crime rates. The law was modeled after similar laws in Texas, South Carolina, Ohio, Georgia, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Missouri, Pennsylvania and Mississippi.
https://tinyurl.com/9mrf4svb
“If so many red states can see the importance of refocusing their criminal justice systems, California can do the same. It’s not often the voters can change the course of a criminal justice system. Californians should take advantage of the opportunity and vote yes on Proposition 47.”
Yes JWB, but here in Texas we also now have constitutional carry laws, so if someone try’s to rob me I can shoot them. It just happened the other day. Car jacker got shot in the face by the victim of the attempted carjacking. Perp dead, no prison crowding, and criminals deterred since anyone could be packing. Win, win, win.
I voted no on prop 47, then 2 years ago I voted with my feet when things started getting really bad.
…. and yet the crime rates between TX and CA are not all that different. As a matter of fact the homicide rate is higher in TX compared to CA.
The reason stated for release of prisoners in CA was, to prevent Covid infection. Perhaps some that were let out, along with monthly payments realized they didn’t have to seek out crime with homies. Or, their “friends” realized the cash went a long way towards sustenance or purchases.
Of course the vote would be no just like it was the first time. Who voted yes? And why?
Funny the numbers of people who stated they voted “No,” not just on this site, but a few others as well. It seems that many of these propositions that defy logic (yet are cleverly named to be opposite of what they really do), do pass. There must be a number of, well, I will be muted and just say those that seem to be on the opposite side of, across the bay (or fronting on it) or down in the LA region.
I voted No, and would do so again.
No and no.
Voting now is a useless endeavor.
It’s all rigged by the communist regime.
I’d bet that there won’t be many responses here by the yes on 47 crowd. They are too busy getting intellectually stimulated by Facebook, the Kartrashians, American Idol, Greasy Gaven lip service, YouTube, Oprah Winfield….
+1
Voted No then…Today…Hell No!
By making personal use of most illegal drugs merely a misdemeanor and committing criminal activity to sustain their addiction a misdemeanor, as long as they keep dollar amount under $950. Prop 47 by recategorizing a series of felonies into misdemeanors skewed state’s prison recidivism rate.
Turned county jails into little more than revolving doors, repeatedly putting those arrested back onto the streets UNTIL their level of violence finally results in a Felony charge. An let us not forget Prison emptying AB-109 putting Felons back on our streets and overcrowding county jails in all of CA’s 58 counties.
Ya see some liberal politicians have the habit of when they can’t get done what they want, by passing a bill, proposition or with an executive order that might get a governor recalled.
A convenient crisis situation happens.
Then out of the blue a lawsuit is filed, once a Court rules, they can say a Court is making us do this.
Judicial system gets the blame and those who caused lawsuit in first place get what they wanted to happen, all along.
At top of list on ballotpedia dot com of state officials supporting Prop 47, then Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D).
So desperate to get Prop 47 passed they ended up spending $10,306,082. Much of it spent on carefully crafted, focus group tested advertising.
CA’s liberal 30 second attention span, low information shallow thinking voters more focused on latest day glow crisis of self absorbed bubble butt’s with their own TV show are having, what’s for dinner and how many signal strength bars their hand held device has. Were conned into passing Prop 47.
An did you really think that no bail idea, was to help minorities ? ? ?
Another DEM attempt to further reduce overcrowding in county jails.
It’s embarrassing for DEMs, having too many “people” incarcerated.
They should to be on our streets menacing and committing new crimes.
“The problem arose after charges of property theft less than $950 in value was downgraded from a felony to a misdemeanor in 2014.”
daily mail https://tinyurl.com/yn37cw33
So let’s see,
Make it harder for law enforcement to charge a Felony, CHECK
Make shoplifting $950 or less a misdemeanor, CHECK
Make personal drug use a misdemeanor, CHECK
Endanger society by keeping criminals on our streets until such time their as level of violence results in serious physical harm or death to innocent and sometimes elderly citizens, CHECK
Found definition of terrorism at dictionary dot com that included,
“… use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.”
Take out “or government” and read it again. . . . .
“… use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.”
Hmm, who should be feared criminals or liberal politicians ?
Voted yes. Prisons are overcrowded enough that a federal judge ordered prisoners released. Let’s keep enough cells available to keep the violent inmates locked up.
No before, No again.
Look around…. “Yes” voting Liberals are everywhere!
https://tinyurl.com/36ays8cy
I voted no and would commit voter fraud and vote 3 times if I knew how badly this social experiment had turned out.
Too many country club prisons.
There is alot of room outside of Santa Rita (still within multiple fenced areas topped with lots of sharp wire) where they could put up tents or barracks to hold lower risk offenders.
Guard towers & Mini-14’s.
Get fed in a cafeteria tent.
Port-a-Potty restrooms.
No TV? Tough.
But the Liberal solution is just “Let ’em go”.
NO!!! NO!!! NO!!! NO!!!
Newsom-supporting Dem here. I voted no in 2014 and i’d vote no again now!
Nah, I live in downtown Concord. Just had a mobile phone stolen by a guy who tried to punch me in the throat. Why should we spend $81,000+ a year locking up nonviolent criminals though? Are they really stealing enough to make it worth it? Even if they are we’re gonna need to build more prisons if you want to lock them up. We’re just below 138% of capacity.
Well, the solution has ALWAYS been that WE don’t pay to lock them up. Prison labor needs to be a thing and they need to pay for what they get. TV should never even be an option. Don’t work enough? Sleep on the floor and get bread and water.
You’d need a constitutional amendment to make that happen, and given the history of corruption and kickbacks in US incarceration systems I’d be extremely surprised not to see a sudden increase in criminals who’d normally get probation or some other diversion winding up in jails. Also, how many prisoners do you think have skills that will earn them 81,000 a year in a prison environment? Would you go to a prisoner for accounting or medical services?
We’ve got the highest incarceration rate in the world, more than three times higher than any other OECD country, and one of the worst murder rates of any OECD country. We’re clearly doing something wrong as a society that incarceration can’t help with.
Our legislators, (as they have always done) packaged too many things into one proposition. Property crimes and drug crimes should be separated. I would have skipped over prop 47 in 2014, and would have done the same today. I think property crimes should be prosecuted mercilessly; for example, retail “grab n goes” above $99 (tax included) should be an automatic felony, carrying mandatory minimum sentences. I don’t care about drugs, it’s the user’s prerogative to be stupid and inject poison, but if said users are caught stealing to support their habits, they should suffer the penalties, under property crimes.