QUESTION: Who do you think was at fault in the Minnesota incident involving an ICE agent and the driver of a Honda Pilot?
The Water Cooler – Who Do You Think Was At Fault In The Minnesota Incident Involving An ICE Agent And The Driver Of A Honda Pilot?
ICE fault
Idiot
Corrupted
Eogist
There was a chain of events that led to the driver’s death. At any point in that chain of events the driver could have broken a link and she would very likely be alive today.
1) WHO forced her to follow ICE?
2) WHO forced her to flee a lawful a detention?
3) WHO forced her to drive towards the ICE Agent?
No one forced her. She made a voluntary and conscious decision
I’m sure someone is going to say, how do I know it was a lawful detention? I don’t but what I do know is the proper venue to determine the legality of a detention is in a court of law and not from the driver’s seat of a vehicle being detained.
How do I know the ICE agent was not just going to shoot her anyway? I don’t: however, there is an estimated 20 million police car stops and an estimated 1000 police related deaths annually in the US. That means there is considerably less than 0.005% chance of being killed by the police during a car stop because not every police related death occurred as a result of a car stop nor is every police related death due to an overt action by the police. I also know that fleeing the police will 99.9% of the time cause them to exercise their authority and use force to affect an arrest, prevent escape and overcome resistance.
How do I know she was following them? I don’t and it doesn’t matter. She still had a moral and legal obligation to comply with the Agents’ orders.
Real life is not a game and actions have consequences. It sad someone dies. It is also sad someone simply could bring herself to comply with the agents orders.
Here is some sage advice: COMPLY NOW, COMPLAIN LATER.
“FAFO” pretty much sums it up for the driver.
SUICIDE BY COP!
What makes you think she was suicidal, I haven’t read anything that would indicate that.
She was interfearing with Federal Law inforcement doing their job. In my 56 years of life. That’s suicidal!
That driver was interfering and tormenting with ICE agents all day long. She also disobeyed their orders at the very end- and she did hit the officer and that’s right when he shot his gun, be she totally wpuld have rin him over.
Frankly I’m not sad. I just do not understand these people’s misplaced compassion where they’re trying to spare criminals from being arrested. Ice is not, NOT going into schools or churches and arresting grandmothers or little children like the left wing liberals are trying to paint it. They are only after the criminals and there are some bad ones!
I don’t know. If I were investigating this case, I would want access to every shred of available evidence, including all video and photographic images, which would also include footage from before the shooting; I’d want to interview witnesses, read witness statements; go back over the evidence; locate new witnesses, if any. Interview anyone who might shed light on what happened. The one thing I would not do is, mere hours after the shooting, appear and announce my conclusions before the investigation has even begun. Being shown some of the video footage, but not all of it, and rushing to publicly announce conclusions indicates to me that the people making those public conclusions have little experience in investigation, law enforcement, or in reading highly volatile situations. A genuine fact-finding investigation will help; remember the old saying: “When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.” (Just don’t do that, no matter who you are, please.)
It is 100% the fault of the liberal media and of the Dems. Every time they open their
mouths, they’re calling ICE agents Nazi’s and Gestapo. I’ve heard Democrat politicians
telling their constituents to resist, to fight back, and to block ICE from doing their job. Tom Homan warned us this will happen, he said if the rhetoric isn’t toned down somebody’s
going to get hurt or killed. Apparently the Dems haven’t learned, because after the killing
they stepped it up. It is my opinion that this is what they want, they are delighted an ICE
agent killed a protester because it feeds into their portrayal of ICE being compared to the Gestapo, and that Trump and the rest of the GOP are the bad guys. It’s really too bad
because a lot of Democrats are educated and are not stupid, but they all seem to be
lacking in common sense and critical thinking skills. They are letting other people tell them
how and what to think.
ICE agents have been taking a lot of abuse and, like everybody else, they are human and
can only be pushed so far until one of them snaps. I’ve seen it in Vietnam, when a good
decent Marine would snap, and starting shooting everybody in sight, including women and children. I’m not saying the ICE agent that shot the protester snapped, I don’t know, but we never know what’s going on in a person’s life and when they have a gun, don’t fight with
them. Even if you are in the right, you will still be dead.
Best, most accurate comment yet, you nailed it perfectly.
Why should a LEO fear for his life and defend himself just because someone was trying crush him with a large vehicle?
AND being that the late attempted murderess was also a member of the super special LGBTQNUTZ community the officer should have allowed himself to be killed in the name of progressive tolerance & acceptance 6/7.
Guess she wasn’t as tough as she thought she was. Sad it happened but cmon doing this crap while your 6 year old is in school is just stupid parenting.
That’s a no brainer! Vance is wrong…no Federal Agent is above the law! That was cold blooded murder!
No Brainer describes the entire anti-ice movement.
Both. Agent Ross should keep a safe distance from the car given that he was previously dragged about 100 ft and got over 60 stiches. And nobody should block law enforcement and create situations where officers perceive as a threat.
What we think is irrelevant.
It reminds me of that guy that let the locomotive run over his legs at the Naval Weapons station. Who was at fault: The guy? The Naval Weapons station? Society? The locomotive?
Regardless, if you stand in front of a locomotive you can expect to be run over.
If you accelerate your car toward an officer of the law you can expect to be shot.
There really isn’t really much to figure.
over zealous & tired ICE agent(s) mostly – first rule of safety – you don’t stand in front of or behind a vehicle that could move – that’s according to the FBI
Driver of honda at fault, the ‘wife’ should be charged
with manslaughter.
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Any person interfering with law enforcement should be arrested
and charged.
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Pointing a gun at a sworn law enforcement could well be, life ending.
Steering a vehicle towards an officer, assures head shots.
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From what little I’ve seen in online media both women evidently
thought they were in the ‘right’. Almost a game, let’s go mess
with ICE.
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You can be assured alphabet media and democrats will push this
out 3 – 5 news cycles.
Dementia Joe Biden and his failed border czar Commiela
I wonder if Mark D. is still advising his minions that they “may have to break the law”?
Excellent point, Ice would not have even been there if it wasn’t for Biden’s open door policy and Minnesota’s refusal to enforce existing immigration LAWS.
Ice protest in Minneapolis,
Watch video, reporter asks “do you have a job?”
Protester replies “I’m getting paid right now.”
Watch video more then once.
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That raises question, how many of anti ICE protestors
are being paid to be there ? ? ? ? ? ?
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https://crowdsondemand.com/protests-rallies-and-advocacy
in no way suggesting company is involved.
Exactly. Which answers the original question. A: The woman, and her gender/swapping ‘wife’ who travel the country, for pay, to disrupt society, antagonize police, and stir “—-“.
And, I hope the big tough mouth wife gets some jail time for interfering, verbally challenging and egging on the officers right at that same moment.
It’s too bad the woman died. I don’t feel that anyone should die for a pay-check. Nor so I think this officer should be excoriated for being put in the position of having to make such a split second decision.
You know how many stupid parents are out protesting and their children are at home. Clueless come to mind on stupid parenting.
Why is that stupid parenting? Haven’t we all left our children with a babysitter to go to the movies, a concert, or whatever. Your comment is very judgmental and really has nothing to do with the issue.
It is stupid parenting as the movies and something that will get you arrested are two totally different things. Similar to saying “I need to get a babysitter so I can go rob a liqueur store” compared to “please watch my kid so I can go buy a bottle of wine”. If they were simply arrested for foolishness and spent the night in jail no one would be there for that child.
stupid parenting.
Honda driver at fault. Assisted by Minnesota government officials inciting riots. Honda driver provoked the situation. Refused to obey officers and tried to flee almost running over an officer to the point he defended himself in neutralizing the threat. If she got out of her vehicle as ordered by law enforcement and accepted her arrest she would still be alive.
Comply and survive. FAFO.
Good work ICE, keep it up. I support you.
Isn’t it interesting how many Democrat politicians cry, moan, bellow and blame Trump for inciting the January 6 incident; while they themselves are now(and have in the past)inciting rioting, destruction and recommending violence against those that are enforcing the laws of the country.
They are the epitome of hypocrisy. No wonder why the Democrat party is such a dismal failing disaster these days.
Here you go…The smirk of the driver and then the wife at the end saying, “drive baby drive”.
https://fb.watch/Exhn24mlxv/
Trump 2028!!!!
Sometimes I think this planet is going through a field of radiation or something like that is making humans crazy. This might explain a lot of similar civilization events in history. That or the collective consciousness. Of course I wasn’t there but what I’ve seen is like too people lost their minds for the moment and the result was tragedy. How many times have you lost your temper and regretted it later?
Until we get more information, I’ll go with both Renee Nicole Good and ICE Agent Jonathan Ross.
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At this point it’s difficult to tell given that national, regional, and local American corporate media, and federal, state, and local elected and appointed officials have omitted information, misinformed, and/or outright lied to us about what happened.
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It appears that Renee Nicole Good put herself into a position that she shouldn’t have been in, and it also appears that ICE Agent Jonathan Ross may have put himself into a position that he shouldn’t have been in, as well as he may not have followed ICE policy.
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Given that the 2025 U.S. Supreme Court decision in the case of Barnes vs Felix held that the actions leading up to the use of force, including whether an agent of a law enforcement agency placed themselves in a dangerous position, is relevant to the justification of the use of force assessment determination.
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The Trump Administration has made it clear where they stand and that they won’t be pursuing any charges against ICE Agent Jonathan Ross in this matter.
Trying to run over law enforcement usually does not end well. I guess she had nothing better to do than follow ICE agents and try to prevent them from doing there job. Go ICE.
Society is so screwed up right now.
We have not been enforcing laws, expired tags on vehicles is discriminatory, stealing is acceptable if less than $950, doxing has become the norm … and so has civil disobedience and unrest.
george Floyd was killed for failing to follow lawful orders. As a result the country burned. We accepted the abuse of our law enforcement and ‘leaders’ spoke up and condoned the the disrespect, abuse and authority diminishing behavior. Our so called leaders told us it was acceptable to fight law enforcement. And then it was propagated on media like it has never been seen before
now we have Good being killed. Had she not been willfully disobeyed a lawful request … had she not been attempting to follow officers around (BS she was making a u-turn – we all know that because her wife would not have been outside the car), had she not been trying to interfere, might she be alive?
had we had secured boarders, had we persecuted and retuned illegal immigrants, had we not allowed and actually punished sanctuary cities/states/communities, would our current admiration be making the choices today to push ICE to perform their job description?
a lot of would have and could haves and should haves. In short, I think our so called leaders are to blame as they encourage and condone the violation of established laws. If you don’t like it, challenge it in court, not the streets.
we are in for a rough time right now and until our leaders put in their big girl/boy pants, I fear it will only get more violent.
A different view than local media.
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/2009310786833772907?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2009310786833772907%7Ctwgr%5E0d027b124c9876a45da88dce3ce04e038665dea2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2026%2F01%2Fwho-is-renee-nicole-good-she-her-recently%2F
look even more… kind of destroys the narrative “oh innocent mom and poet” I do not like the fact someone died but there were thousands of ways this did not have to happen and she picked all the wrong ones.
https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/2010037103665787019
I hesitate to come to a conclusion at this stage. I listened to Joe McGinnis, conservative talk show host in Sacramento, and a Trump supporter, he urged everyone to not jump to conclusion until more is known. He also mentioned what a tragedy it was that this single mother was death, something Trump and no one in his administration have been able to do.
Twice, the radical left have made attempts on Trump’s life. They murdered the CEO
of United Health Care and Charlie Kirk. They have, and they are still threatening the
lives of members of Trump’s cabinet. I see no reason why he or anyone in his administration should say anything nice about them. They are evil and dangerous,
and should be permanently locked away from law-abiding citizens.
hanne jeppesen,
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It’s not that President Trump and those in his administration haven’t been able to say that the death of Renee Nicole Good was a “tragedy,” it’s that they’ve chosen not to say it.
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The Trump Administration has made the same mistake that police departments do after their peace officers kill a member of the public, they always doubledown and claim no wrongdoing before all of the facts are known, and then they often have to backtrack from their previous positions and statements. The Trump Administration has chosen to take the position to protect their ICE policies and ICE agents, whether all ICE policies have been followed or not, over an impartial and transparent investigation. Since the Trump Administration is controlling this investigation, we likely know what the outcome and the conclusion of the investigation will be.
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It’s appearing more and more that ICE Agent Jonathan Ross shouldn’t have been put back into the field after his previous injury with a car and illegal alien, as well as it’s put his training and supervision into question. He put himself in a bad position in this interaction, as did Renee Nicole Good.
Biden and Obama are to blame 100%.
100% also at fault ANY Mayor or Governor’s declaring ANY cities “sanctuary cities”. That right there is THE first problem started all this sh**.
Bullets #2 and #3 are straight up murder.
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