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You might have heard that several states, including California, Oregon, and Washington have issued mandates that all new vehicles sold beginning in 2035 are to be electric vehicles.
QUESTION: Electric vehicles weigh more than gas powered vehicles (harder on the roads/parking garages), and charging will take a toll on the power grid, so in your opinion, do you think California is prepared to handle so many electric vehicles?
Talk about it.
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Just another DEM fantasy land failure in the making.
DEMs seem determined to maximize profits for communist china.
The premise of reducing emissions is to clean the air and stop all sorts of horrible things from happening in the future is a false premise.
The premise is about control of the populace.
With electricity as the only power source, one flick of a switch can turn off all the power to all the people.
That’s the control the government wants over the people.
I never thought I would say this, but Im begining to believe what you say is true! These crazy progressives, are just waiting to take over the country and squash the tried and true traditional American middle class.
I tried saying that yesterday that control/power over the people is just a brownout away but the 3 initial people said they will just do it to gas stations but they wont,or Calif will lose all its tax paying businesses when they make nothing and pay nothing,This is why they want you to charge at home,so they cut off all private power stations.They will brown out the parking lots with public chargers.lights and cashier computers will still work.Gas pumps are low voltage low draw usage,a brownout wont hurt them,and they wont shut business with power outages.There will be gas price gouging when they see the power is down.When everyone breaks out their real cars.This only works when all of society becomes lemmings and can somehow afford an EV..its all way far out fantasy.And impossible for it to happen in our lives.
No
I can’t wait!
I can’t wait to see how emergency vehicles perform.
When we have fires throughout the state will they have vehicles or charging stations so fire apparatus can continue to work for weeks during fire season?
Police cars?
Ambulances?
-Private ambulance companies like AMR, Falk & Medic will take a huge financial hit if this is required.
I’m sure Newsom care has a plan.
I’m sure Gavin is already driving around as governor and leading by example.
What could possibly go wrong?
These political folks don’t have a plan. I doubt Newsome has even run a lemonade stand. They pass some kind of wishful law and then hope everything comes together to make it work. In the future he won’t give a rat’s arse.
No. Think the mandates should be revoked and let folks make up their minds on EV, Hybrid or Gas, …etc.
Some will not be able to afford to buy into the price of vehicles, insurance, registration, or ease to charge stations. Limits on how folks get around. Will public transportation adequate?
Do Not like how the government is trying to reduce our freedom.
11 years from now, no, just some politician spouting stuff to say look at me I will save the world! Vote for me!
My bet is that mandate will be repealed in the next two years. Too much evidence that EV vehicles aren’t a good solution and they used questionable climate research to demand the mandate. And there are alternatives coming to market that in some case gas vehicles can be easily and cheaply changed to other sources of fuel.
The idea of EV only vehicles all sounded good to the superficial who wanted to be “do gooders” but they didn’t do the homework, as usual.
How absurd.
Short answer, no. California law makers are ill prepared to deal with ANY of the unintended consequences of the garbage laws they pass. Hopefully there will be some adults in charge to repeal this particular piece of garbage before it goes into effect.
Typical decision made by democrats
Absolutely not! All three states belong to the same coalition.No petroleum products no small gas engines.Im sure you’ve heard the saying headed to hell in a hand basket.
Also the road to HELL is paved with good intentions.
Ridiculous…. grid will never be up to it… if the mandate actually gets approved get ready for lots more blackouts… and more exodus from Calif
Hopefully California voters will wake up and vote out the democrats from office and get this repealed. It is a bad decision across the board to try and do this. Just wait till there is a huge natural disaster, let’s see how bad it can really get then at that point. But it won’t affect the politicians that don’t have to live by these rules and will be taken care of by state agencies while we suffer from there bad choices.
What about freight trains,that spew diesel all day?how will then run on an electric charge?
What about rescue situations needing big machinery for days?This will never reall happen,its just more false hope and promises for the confused that vote left,and happily get lied to all day by their idols.
If this becomes law, can the next governor suspend or revise it? It’s not a well-thought-out law. EVs are not only heavy electricity guzzlers, but they will become worthless. When an EV gets old and the owner wants to trade it in on a new one, how much will the trade-in be worth? A used EV will come with a used battery, and since It can cost up to $20,000 to replace the battery, who would want to buy a used EV? And what will they do with all the old batteries?
EVs are OK for those that want one, but they shouldn’t be forced on us, The state can make it easier by slowly transitioning towards electric, by selling more hybrids. That way, people will have the opportunity to get used to it.
If all new cars sold in California are EVs, then there will be a huge increase in the used car market, and prices for a used car will double or maybe even triple. Just think, if you recently purchased a new car for $35,000, you should be able to sell it for $80,000 or more in 2035.
What ever the state decides to do, they better build an electric grid that can handle the heavy load and negotiate a better price with PG&E.
Meanwhile, I’ll keep driving my good old-fashioned gas guzzler.
Of course they can and will,but they dont want that knowledge getting out,they need to look powerful and permanent.
BTW PG&E does not set the prices, they get a fixed percentage for delivery. The producers are getting the windfall, PG&E’s share of production keeps dropping because of plant closures. The ISO is the who picks and chooses what the mix is.
HAHAHAHAHAHA……..
This is the same short-sighted logic they used on the $20 minimum wage. People will simply purchase non-EV’s out of state. Sales tax on new vehicles will now go to friendlier states. A huge financial loss for California, as if it wasn’t losing enough already.
It doesn’t quite work that way. When you buy a new car out of state, you will pay the sales tax in that state. Then, when you get it registered in California, the DMV will collect the sales tax for California.
not true,the tax will only be in the state bought, they will be charged transfer fees and a new plate as a used car out of state transfer.sold 600 cars,many from out of state
You are correct, however by simply taking advantage of the 12 month rule California is only entitled to the DMV fees. This works on boats also, especially the really big ones.
What a bunch of CRAP!
Where do the think the electricity comes from?? Thin air?
Electric car chargers plugged into DIESEL generators.
GO GREEN!
CLIMATE CHANGE! The climate has been changing for MILLIONS OF YEARS and will continue without government control.
We don’t have enough power as it is!
Bunch of IDIOTS!
Never going to happen for several reasons. One , California doesn’t want to build any more power plants so there won’t be enough electricity to charge the cars let alone all the thousands of new homes they are going to build. Two, the environmental damage that is being done mining the minerals for the batteries and disposal of old batteries will out way the benefits of electric cars.
umm … NO.
Infrastructure is not ready.
Roads are not ready.
Are all the small town fire departments equipped to respond to a lithium car battery fire?
Where are they storing all the hazardous waste generated when these batteries fail, some as soon as 10K miles (extreme cases) or only a 3-4 years in others?
The short of it is no, it currently can not handle it and most likely will not be able to in 10 years time. The state would have to build “renewable energy” power sources at five times the current rate. If the High Speed Rail is any indication of how quickly and efficiently the state builds anything then I think it’s safe to say that we have a snowman’s chance in heck of reaching that goal
https://calmatters.org/environment/2023/01/california-electric-cars-grid/
Absolutely not!!! The transition, if any, should’ve been to hybrids and hydrogen, not electric. I wonder how many residents from Washington, Oregon, and California will travel to Idaho, Nevada, and Arizona to purchase gas, diesel, and hybrid cars and trucks?
They wont stop people from registering them even if they threaten too btw ,Calif gets all its money from vehicle registration fees
Not now or even in the near future. The infrastructure isn’t even CLOSE to being able to support it.
someone please cut off newsoms oxygen supply
and all cop cars will be electric?good,no more tickets,and nobody will want that job,not safe with EVs,5 min of chase car is dead
And they are extra heavy,and cant corner high speed,way more police traffic fatalities
PG&E can’t even supply juice for demand today. Typical Dem politics. Didn’t consider the consequences before acting.
Or as Biden would call it …….”an extraordinary success”
Ah…putting the horse before the cart I see. That always works
I guess the car dealers in Reno will prosper.
On a scale of 1 -10, how dumb are democrats?
10
About a 12…. And I’m being generous.
Just signed up for the recall Newscum recall. You should do the same.
Hes being investigated now
Another Newsom recall effort will backfire as spectacularly as the last one did. Like before, it will serve to solidify his base, and strengthen his national profile, therefore strengthening him in his 2028 run for the presidency .
if you had a photo of the people that counted the votes on the last recall their would be something way too similar with them.
Cant wait to see electric cars chase gas cars during crimes.
Crime will “go down”when nobody even pulls over anymore,no arrests,no cites.
Part time internet trained climate scientists AND part time internet trained immunologists all in one place. How lucky we are to have access to your knowledge. 🙃
It doesn’t take a degree in climatology or immunology to understand the foolishness of these decisions. Thanks for the appeal to authority though.
Excellent idea because in another decade, other perfected means of transportation will arrive like more hydrogen powered vehicles, etc.. Even India, already produces small city vehicles that use compressed air to operate. Batteries will be better too. A Chinese company already has an electric vehicle that uses insulated batteries that protect it from extreme cold weather. Hopefully, green tech will also improve our grid, and we can hopefully find cleaner ways to mine and recycle lithium. In regards to emergency vehicles, buses, and others…natural gas may still remain a good option too. As long as we continue to deny the impact fossil fuels have on our planet, the faster future generations will be faced with the exponential increases of extreme weather conditions. Going into my 7th decade of living in Concord, triple digit summer days have increased, and I even researched the truth of this fact.
1. “…will arrive…”
2. “I even researched the ‘truth’ of this ‘fact’.”
Cmon – you know damn well that you cannot state unequivocally that it “will arrive…”.. and your comment about “researching the truth of this fact” is just plain ludicrous.
You need to learn the difference between fact an opinion. Just because it’s on the internet doesn’t mean $hit.
Hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
California should ban airplanes, also….Let’s go back to horse and buggy….but horses and cows fart, which also contribute….Such a conundrum of junk science.
I’m tired of being governed. I never did like anybody telling me what to do. I need a break. How about a law that says we can’t make any new laws for a while.
How will the State of California replace the lost gas tax revenue? Will the electric companies be forced to share territory or otherwise deregulate so there are competitive prices available from more than one company? Will all state employees and elected officials be banned from traveling by private jets?
a few will own EV’s but everyone will be paying for them to use
Such folly. PGE can’t even deliver consistent power to our homes. Where will all this “extra” power come from? Part of the problem is overpopulation. Too many people. We are doomed.
I’ll be long gone in Idaho driving my Cummins diesel pick up. Never to set foot in this state again.
Make sure to change out your license plates immediately. The people there are very nice, however they are concerned about new residents bringing the goofy California politics with them.
Bunch of lunatics think we will never have power outages and have to recharge . Will every parking space have a rechargers? Gavin Newsom you are an idiot with tunnel vision.
Thought pou would be happy,no more gas blowers…..
The year 2035 will never happen. Jesus is coming back by then.
Nuclear war will happen before then. Don’t worry about it.
Keep in mind the state can’t afford to lose the gas tax ao the per mile tax is going to hit all electric cars and your daily drive could cost you more than you pay for gas today.
they will simply add an”electrical infrastruction update fee” to all electricity bills.They will ask people how did they expect to charge their neighbors car for them without it?
Trumps tariffs on foreign EV’s that he mentioned today will be so intentionally high you wont be seeing any in the USA.
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