The following statement is from John Muir Health:
“John Muir Health has been, and continues to be, supportive of the Shelter-in-Place order put in place by Contra Costa County Health Services to prevent the spread of COVID-19. We realize there are a number of opinions on this topic, including within our medical staff, and John Muir Health encourages our physicians and staff to participate constructively in these discussions. We all share a concern for the health of our community whether that is COVID-19, mental health, intentional violence or other issues. We continue to actively work with our Behavioral Health Center, County Health and community organizations to increase awareness of mental health issues and provide resources to anyone in need. If you are in a crisis and need help immediately, please call 211 or 800-833-2900 or text ‘HOPE’ to 20121 now. We are all in this together, and ask the community to please reach out to anyone who you think might be in need during this challenging time. Thank you.”
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I like how you qualify this with: ” We realize there are a number of opinions of this topic, including within our medical staff”
So you “support” this draconian, totalitarian decision, but qualify it so when a Dr. or nurse calls you out, you can say you didn’t speak on their behalf (and with a contrary opinion).
I’m extremely disappointed
@Tired: Doctors and Nurses aren’t robots that share the same opinion on this. So of course the John Muir would post a disclaimer that states that their individual staff do not speak on behalf of the whole organization. People who say they are right just because they work for John Muir is dangerous and misleading.
Reality – that’s partially my point. However, a lot of folks wont read into that statement as far they should. The statement itself is misleading. I applaud the fact that you can discern the difference between the organization and the individual. Its dissapointing, but many folks can’t do that. Sure… My comment is “reaching” and a bit exaggerated, but I’m also pissed at how institutions say they “support” these decisions and yet, the folks issuing the statements have not lost a thing.
Hardworking, decent people have lost everything thanks to the Gov’s decisions. Its criminal. How many lives need to be ruined here?
Nothing draconian. It’s about saving lives. People are stupid.
I hate the phrase “we are all in this together “. We are not! Some of us still have jobs and money coming in. Many do not and some have lost everything. Please stop repeating that ridiculous phrase.
Unemployment is almost 4000 a month right now. Quit your moaning. Those “essential” workers making low wages are the ones getting bent over right now, forced to work and endanger their lives for a pittance while others get bribed to stay home safe and sound.
@anon
Not sure where you get that number the most I may see is 3000 a month and that is nowhere what I make normally oh I also have yet to see that anyhow. 10 weeks now no pay and no help. There may be some benefiting from this but I’m pretty sure most are not.
I am with anon here. there are essential jobs for the taking right now.
looks like many Americans think their too good to humble themselves for a day of hard work for pay.
Does John Muir Health and their affiliates and member doctors support Cower-in-Place enough to forgo Federal bailout money? Will they make whole the many businesses that have been sent into bankruptcy? Will they give restitution to the people who have lost their income? I’m guessing that THEIR support stops at THEIR wallet.
As for me and my house, we salute you with all of the middle-fingers at our disposal.
This is NOT the full statement. They said the state needed to be opened again. Claycord, you are FAKENEWS.
https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/
17: I followed your link and I think you are confused. The umbrella organization issued a statement supporting SIP with the qualifier that there is disagreement among some of the staff. Your link provides two examples of people on the staff who disagree. But the same story you link to, again has this same statement from the umbrella organization supporting SIP and saying some disagree. Please re-read your own link. That’s 10 minutes of my life I wish I had back.
@17: It’s the full statement.
You’re conflating the ABC7 story with this statement from Muir. They are different things. The link you provided is to a story produced by ABC7. I read Muir’s statement as a retort to the ABC7 news story, I would assume Muir must tow the line of the CoCoCo Health Department and Anna Roth, to stay in their good graces
But more importantly…How DARE you impugn the virtuous Claycord young fellow! I’ll have none of it!! You Sir, are one whose virtues are lost in self-interest, as rivers are lost to the sea. I’ll have you know Claycord IS the Sea of Virtue.
Really? Are that many people that fragile? If they don’t have a hobby take up a new one. I receive calls from telemarketers and turn them into prank calls. I won the publishers’ clearing house sweepstakes last week. It was my 2nd time according to these guys from Jamaica. We didn’t even get to the part where they ask me to give the money before they hung up.
A few years ago I took up the hobby of suing telemarketers and it has been profitable. It’s a pain at times but it is fun watching them squirm in court.
The head of John Muir Health’s trauma department said that the shelter-in-place should end, and was speaking his own personal opinion. However there are other people in the organization that feel it shouldn’t end. The statement that was posted above acknowledges that are there different opinions within John Muir Health. So Claycord is accurately reprinting the full official statement from JMH, and is not “fake news”.
It wasn’t “they,” it was one doctor who said they should open, hence JMMC’s statement, “We realize there are a number of opinions on this topic, including within our medical staff,…”
And I guess proofreading is a lost art at ABC7 News: “The head of the trauma in the department believes mental health is suffering so much, it is time to end the shelter-in-place order.”
WTH does that mean? I assume it means the head of the trauma dept. thinks it’s time to end shelter-in-place.
The main takeaway I got from that article, other than JMMC’s mealy-mouthed excuses, is that they are seeing less suicidal gestures and more actual suicide attempts. This is big news and a sure sign people are really hurting. In young people, suicidal gestures are more common than actual attempts.
It’s time to end this BS. RIGHT NOW!
@17 They posted the statement in an earlier post. Claycord is not fake news. They do a much better job than most and they allow real discussion to take place.
Fair enough.
Sad day when hospitals have to be politically correct.
So then I have to assume no one from John Muir joined the over 600 physicians who signed a letter to the President saying the shutdown does more harm than good…
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doctors-raise-alarm-about-health-effects-of-continued-coronavirus-shutdown?fbclid=IwAR2TY9zEzAOVqRdlECrM2OhX9gA7mMu8JlbjxY4yzQvcEaBxUjmzY_lzoMg
The medical establishment actually despises dissent, so I’m surprised they acknowledged differences of opinion. I’m sure they’ll be punishing the doctors who dared to speak to this reporter.
John Muir will suck the state tit until it runs dry. A perfect example of how the big corporations have failed our republic. Making virtue signaling commercials about ‘how we are all in this together’ to stay in the good graces of the powers that be and avoid the rabid attacks of the progressives is a complete capitulation. Reminds me of how our big corps act in China.
you are right on the mark about corporatization of medicine. especially with this company.
since when did Americans start looking to corporations for advice and friendship?
Everybody is kind of right here. I was mislead by this article, followed @17’s link, was outraged at Claycord, followed Sam’s advice, read the previous Claycord article, and calmed down. Claycord maybe fumbled a little, the info is presented in a way that can be misconstrued. I misconstrued it.
Everybody should just read it all. Claycord is not the story, the story coming from John Muir Hospital is essential for everyone to be aware of. About more shut down suicides than covid deaths.
My only compliant is that John Muir is speaking qualitatively rather than quantitatively. More than? Less than? That isn’t very illuminating. I have to go to the data point of 36 official covid deaths in Contra Costa and speculate from there what kind of numbers John Muir is seeing. Just give us numerical head counts for the different categories and ranges and we can figure out for ourselves exactly how severe the problem is.
There’s a lot of vagueness that deliberately goes into suicide reporting. There are massive concerns about suicide contagion– if you’re too specific or go into too much detail it can apparently spark a wave of suicides in people who are hurting. I can see that worry, considering how vulnerable the general population is under some of the worst conditions we’ve faced in our lifetimes.
More information:
https://www.hhs.gov/answers/mental-health-and-substance-abuse/what-does-suicide-contagion-mean/index.html
https://reportingonsuicide.org/recommendations/#dodonts
wow
just wow
the postings are a little slanted lately
the hospital defacing their own employees smells of owners and shareholders dictating political views
and yeah what …..is going on did the liberal brigade send out talking points for every liberal entity spewing liberal rhetoric
I truly respect their care at john muir as it is my preferred facility
@random task enough with the liberal bashing. Many of us “liberals” actually feel the same way you so. Show some respect.
Right now I’m ashamed to be a patient in this network. The Dr. calling out the shut down is right and John Muir should have had his back.
I have pointed out in multiple forums that there are essential jobs for the taking if people are able to humble themselves. What I see here is that a lot of people are unhappy and a lot of it is tied to their money. Maybe the fact that they place so much importance on money is why the suicides are going up. being broke and going bankrupt isn’t the end of the world. the boomers perfected bankruptcy and most millennials will never own anything. maybe the fact that the American dream has already proven to be a lie for so many is why some aren’t rushing back into the rat race.
The real story is the state of mental care in this state. Daily we see plenty of clearly insane people walking the streets, attacking people, getting beat up themselves at times. We treat stray animals better than we do people. They need to make it easier to get people committed and then provide better mental health services for all. I’m tired of reading how Ronald Reagan shut down all the mental hospitals, which isn’t true. They do need to build some and stop going on about restricting their freedom. The people are not in fit states to know what they are doing, so do something about that first.
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