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Claycord – Talk About Politics – Nov.10, 2023

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Original G November 10, 2023 - 7:01 PM - 7:01 PM

‘San Francisco conducts massive cleanup operation, clearing homeless encampments and removing vagrants from street ahead of APEC trade summit’
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/2ptkw7se
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‘Newsom Gives SFMTA $3 Million to Clean These Damned Streets Before the APEC Summit’
https://tinyurl.com/jk3n7v4w
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‘Los Angeles, San Francisco Mayors Clean Up Cities for Visiting Dignitaries But not for Residents’
“LA & SF clean up, even bringing in extra cops- why can’t they do this for the residents who live there?”…
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“San Francisco Mayor London Breed is washing poop off the sidewalks in the City by the Bay in preparation for the Asian-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Summit. And she’s borrowing police officers from nearby cities Brisbane, Belmont, Daly City, Foster City, Menlo Park, San Mateo, South San Francisco, Fairfield, San Jose State University and the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Department, “to aid the city’s police force” during the summit.”
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“Why can’t Mayors Breed and Bass do this for the citizens who live there?
The answer is evident – because they don’t care about anything other than
politics and their political optics.”
Katy Grimes, caglobe https://tinyurl.com/mtw8zfnm
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“Top 50 Disasters Gov. Gavin Newsom Has Ushered into California”
https://tinyurl.com/bdfnt3a8

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Bob November 10, 2023 - 10:43 PM - 10:43 PM

Gotta clean up before Mom and Dad get home

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domo November 11, 2023 - 7:43 AM - 7:43 AM

5 stars OG

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To Do List November 11, 2023 - 11:08 AM - 11:08 AM

Something missing from the last list on CA problems is CA has the highest state poverty rate. This is reported by the US Census in their SPM adjustment based on the higher cost of living in CA. Let that sink in, the contrast between what Newsom says and the reality here, the highest poverty rate in the country.

https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/09/california-poverty-rate/

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RunDog November 11, 2023 - 5:56 PM - 5:56 PM

Newsom was bad news for San Francisco and even worse as Lt.Governor under Brown. As Mayor he made the “party’s scene” in the City and snorted Cocaine. As Lt.Governor he sat on the Board of Regents for the University of California. He simply didn’t attend meetings wherein important budget decisions were made — because he found them dull. The must egregious abuses of UC funds (taxpayer and donated funds alike) occurred under his so-called leadership. Apparently, the voters of the State simply weren’t paying attention.

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MAGA SAM November 10, 2023 - 8:29 PM - 8:29 PM

Zelensky now has absolute control of Ukrainian media, outlawed opposition political parties and Ukraine’s Orthodox Church, declared martial law, and uses absolute power under martial law to cancel presidential elections. So much for Biden’s false narrative that the world is in an existential fight to protect democracies from autocracies, wasting billions of US tax dollars.
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You supported NAZIs. Remember that question about what you would do in nazi germany? You COVID HOAXERS, just did that and you failed the morality test. Now we have a NAZI Ukraine.

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Captain Bebops November 11, 2023 - 9:39 AM - 9:39 AM

I think the agenda was to spend the US into bankruptcy. One needs to look at the bigger picture. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

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To Do List November 11, 2023 - 10:44 AM - 10:44 AM

Multi-tasking! The government seems to be purposely pushing toward an intentional financial crisis and debt rating agencies are warning about downgrading the US debt like it’s a badly run grocery store. That’s Bidenomics.

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DOH November 12, 2023 - 6:49 PM - 6:49 PM

Nope. that the Republican congress setting the US up to default on its debt and not fund the government. 5 days to go.

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yoyohop November 11, 2023 - 12:25 PM - 12:25 PM

The goal is to keep US citizens impoverished and in debt. Our tax dollars are being sent overseas where the money is laundered and squandered on weapons for wars we shouldn’t be involved in.

No more money to Ukraine. No more money to Israel. America First.

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frank November 11, 2023 - 10:11 AM - 10:11 AM

you have pretty much repeated Putin’s talking points, comrade

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MAGA SAM November 11, 2023 - 10:47 AM - 10:47 AM

Frank, You didn’t refute any of it. Boogie man putin is irrelevant. The truth hurts

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To Do List November 11, 2023 - 12:50 PM - 12:50 PM

Frank: If Putin said it is likely to rain in Moscow tomorrow, would agreeing with him mean you are a comrade? You would bravely contradict him and say no rain to protect Democracy?

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Original G November 13, 2023 - 1:30 PM - 1:30 PM

“…absolute control of Ukrainian media, outlawed opposition political parties and Ukraine’s Orthodox Church, declared martial law, and uses absolute power under martial law to cancel presidential elections.”
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DEMs must be so envious . . . . . . .

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Glen223 November 11, 2023 - 8:51 AM - 8:51 AM

And the cleanup is just around the areas that the attendees see.

They don’t give a rip about the rest of the city.

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Bayslashers November 11, 2023 - 9:08 AM - 9:08 AM

Different week, same clowns…here are your CLOWN WORLD HEADLINES of the week…

Approaching End of Term, Zelenskyy Cancels Next Election: ‘Not the Right Time’

Chinese Dictator Xi Jinping to Meet with Business Leaders in San Francisco

Obama Says ‘All of Us’ Are to Blame for the Conflict Unfolding in Gaza

Gates-Funded Plan to Vaccinate 86 Million Girls Against HPV Will ‘Unleash Mass Casualty Event,’ Critic Warns

DOJ Investigating Exclusive ‘Commercial Sex Ring’ Involving DC Politicians, Military Officers, Pharma Execs, Scientists & Other Wealthy Clientele

Update: Investigators Suspect Prostitution Ring May Have Been Part of Chinese Espionage Plot Targeting Military Officers, Elected Officials: Report

Rep. Jamaal Bowman Says Republicans Must be Held Accountable for Biden’s Disastrous Economic Policies

FBI Spotted Recruiting at Pride Event in North Carolina

Nashville Democrat Mayor OUTRAGED that Trans Mass Shooter’s Manifesto Shows Killer Was Leftist Racist, Who Wanted to Murder “Privileged” White “Crackers” — Orders City’s Legal Team to Investigate

You Have Paid $4.1 Billion to Support LGBTQ Initiatives in Other Countries Thanks to President Biden

Intersex Olympian Caster Semenya Claims, ‘My Testicles Don’t Make Me Less Of A Woman’

Woke Gaming Giant Activision Blizzard Adds ‘Non-Binary’ Character to ‘Overwatch 2’

Catholic Church Will Now Allow Transgenders to be Baptized and Serve as Godparents, Church Noted Transgender Children Can Also Be Baptized

California School District Could Shell Out Over $100,000 To Give Students ‘Anti-Racist’ Trainings

American Elementary School Reportedly Scraps Veterans Day Assembly, Replaces It with UN-Sponsored ‘Day of Tolerance’

Chicago Secretly Renews Contract with Covid Staffing Firm to Staff Migrant Shelters-Some Staff on Track to Make $800K Per Year

THOUSANDS of Illegal Invaders Chant “Biden! Biden! Biden!” in Huixtla, Mexico On Way to Open US Border

Lockdown Fallout: Adults Are Stressed and Kids Are Depressed

Study Links Cellphone Use to Lower Sperm Count, but Authors Downplay Findings

YouTuber Mr. Beast Accused of ‘Racism’ After He Builds 100 Wells Across Africa Providing Clean Water to Citizens

Lawmaker Fails to Stop Federal Mandate That Requires All Vehicles Sold After 2026 Be Equipped With a KILL SWITCH

Group of Progressive Teachers in Washington Trying to Ban ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ in Schools

California Man Arrested for Decapitating Female Relative, Fleeing the Scene With Her Head

Cue in the Androids: China Plans to Rapidly Advance Mass Production of ‘Disruptive’ Humanoid Robots

Robot Crushes Man To Death After Allegedly Mistaking Him For A Box Of Vegetables

San Francisco McDonald’s Shuts Down After 30 Years amid City’s Decline

‘The Simpsons’ Has Quietly Ended Scenes of Homer Strangling Bart: ‘Times Have Changed’

HBO’s John Oliver Praises Satanic Group for Offering Abortions Named After Justice Samuel Alito’s Mother

Soros-Backed DA Carjacked at Gunpoint After Dismissing 66% of All Violent Felony Cases During His First Months in Office

Oklahoma City’s Ordinance Will Fine People for Feeding Meals to the Homeless Without a Permit

Connecticut Resident Casts Vote Using Grocery Store Bonus Card as Identification to Vote

Montana Grizzlies Are Getting Drunk, Passing Out, and Being Hit by Trains

Report: People Defecating in Line at Disney Theme Parks

STUDY: Tumor With Teeth Discovered At Ancient Burial Site

That’s it for this week…have a terrific weekend Claycord!

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Exit 12A November 11, 2023 - 9:22 AM - 9:22 AM

Liberal/woke buzzword.
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Watch a local one-hour news broadcast and post how many times each of these words are stated:

Marginalized
Trauma
Unhoused
Vulnerable communities
Fair share
Disadvantaged
Economically challenged
Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion
Cultural appropriation
Resilience
“Investment” (synonomous with spending)
Unsheltered
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Any words missing?

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Anon November 11, 2023 - 11:12 AM - 11:12 AM

Reimagining! If I here that word one more time!🤬

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Dawg November 11, 2023 - 12:47 PM - 12:47 PM

Racist, white supremacy, the far right, and MAGA Republicans.

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The Wizard November 12, 2023 - 7:21 AM - 7:21 AM

First ever.. Persons gender or race.

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The Fearless Spectator November 12, 2023 - 8:04 AM - 8:04 AM

Here are two words they will never utter: Merit, and Excellence.

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The Professor November 13, 2023 - 7:00 AM - 7:00 AM

BINGO!!!

Al November 11, 2023 - 9:23 AM - 9:23 AM

Notice that the politicians who are screaming the loudest about climate change very frequently fly all over the country and world polluting the atmosphere with their planes and verbal BS. Narcissism at its finest on display! POLITICIANS SUCK!!!

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concord grape November 11, 2023 - 9:24 AM - 9:24 AM

Hey Maga Sam, Zelinski sounds just like our former POTUS.

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MAGA SAM November 12, 2023 - 10:24 AM - 10:24 AM

It does sound like obama targeting christian’s with the irs and legalizing propaganda with the smith maundt modernization act of 2013. Good call.
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I know you were talking about orange man bad Because you suffer from terminal Trump derangement syndrome. The facts don’t add up . Maths and critical thinking is not easy like sitting around letting others think for you.

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Dr. Jellyfinger November 11, 2023 - 9:37 AM - 9:37 AM

Well if this doesn’t convince everyone to vote Biden a 2nd. term nothing will!
Hopefully….

https://slaynews.com/news/bidens-new-policy-forces-federal-workers-salute-pride-flag/

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RunDog November 11, 2023 - 6:19 PM - 6:19 PM

Or this ..

Biden suffers embarrassing gaffe during Veteran’s Day service.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12737895/Biden-gaffe-veterans-day-service.html?ito=native_share_article-top

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frank November 11, 2023 - 10:15 AM - 10:15 AM

Wrote an email to senator Glazer regarding deployment of our local CHP Officers to SF and other cities, and my opposition to to removal of our Officers

Not only did he not respond to my comments , he didn’t even acknowledge the email.

Any one else been ignored by Glazer?

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RunDog November 11, 2023 - 6:28 PM - 6:28 PM

Glazer ran on a promise to “clean up” the mess caused by the BART strike. Remember the BART strike? And, never let it happen again. Instead, under his leadership things are worse than they ever have been.

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Glen223 November 12, 2023 - 7:57 PM - 7:57 PM

Glazer is just another lying democrat politician.

Never trust a democrat.

RunDog November 13, 2023 - 9:42 AM - 9:42 AM

Vote Democrats out at every opportunity!

Cautiously Informed November 11, 2023 - 7:36 PM - 7:36 PM

He’s not the only one. I have sent messages to many local and state politicians, with zero response, and not even a mere confirmation that they received the message.
Democrat politicians DO NOT represent and care about voting working class citizens. Period.

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Glen223 November 12, 2023 - 7:59 PM - 7:59 PM

Yup – glazer is just another lying politician. None of them truly represent the people.

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RunDog November 17, 2023 - 12:43 PM - 12:43 PM

How things have changed — George Miller used to regularly send us a newsletter updating us on important matters up for vote, and frequently asked our input on them. You could call his local office anytime and leave your opinions which were seriously considered. Glazer doesn’t even return calls or emails, and DeSaulnier “presents” what he’s doing in a Town Hall meeting — an Eest Coast invention.

Ricardoh November 11, 2023 - 11:11 AM - 11:11 AM

When the Germans and the Japanese had their butts kicked they surrendered and then got on with their lives. It appears Hamas is not that smart. Not only did they start a war they had no chance in winning they refuse to surrender even though they get punished and wrecked daily. To top that off they say they will never stop fighting. Knowing that how could so many people in the US be out marching to demand that Israel stops fighting. The whole thing makes no sense.

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To Do List November 11, 2023 - 1:17 PM - 1:17 PM

I’ve seen interviews and footage that makes this look like an entirely different situation than Nazi Germany, where the Nazis hid what they were doing while in Gaza the crowds paraded around tortured dead Israelis, celebrating, singing, beating their bodies and filming with cell phones. I think first world people don’t get the hate and how barbaric some are who live with cultural values from the year zero. Europe is completely unprepared to deal with who immigrated there under woke shaming of racism accusations.

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Ricardoh November 11, 2023 - 2:12 PM - 2:12 PM

When it comes to barberism I think any group is capable of it. In Europe it was caused by many things but usually by a leader that was able to convince the masses. They could eventually be brought back to their senses. In the middle east the problem is religion and it doesn’t take a lot of persuasion to get the masses worked up. There are two factions of the same religion but the difference is enough to get them to kill each other for centuries.

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Original G November 11, 2023 - 7:36 PM - 7:36 PM

2016
“President Barack Obama plans to admit 110,000 refugees from around the world to the United States over the next year — a figure that is 10,000 above his original goal and which immediately set off howls of protest from some Republicans.
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The 110,000 figure is expected to include a substantial number of Syrian refugees, whose admission to the U.S. has sparked debate in the presidential race. Republican nominee Donald Trump wants to bar Syrian refugees completely, alleging that terrorists could be hiding among them.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-refugees-228134
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2016
‘ISIS have created an entire fake passport ‘industry’
using documents stolen in Iraq, Libya and Syria, warn French officials’
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/rbs4e4zs
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2016
“I have lost confidence in the federal government’s ability to safely and responsibly run the refugee program and no longer want the state of Maine associated with that shortcoming,” LePage wrote. “The federal vetting system has proven wholly inadequate, as evidenced by the revelation that a refugee living in Freeport, Maine, returned to Syria and died fighting for the ISIS terrorist organization.”
https://tinyurl.com/4shvzmc4
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https://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22802
Perhaps background checks should begin for pressure cookers.

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Original G November 11, 2023 - 1:00 PM - 1:00 PM

‘…Newsom Knows S.F. Is Bad, But Cares About Xi More than Residents’
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” “Well, let’s start with Newsom. That’s too ridiculous to let go by uncommented. But — for years, San Francisco residents have had to put up with rampant homelessness, open-air drug use, assaults, and feces-lined streets, all in the name of some twisted progressive notion of equity. But, suddenly, when a genocidal Communist dictator comes to town, the ideas of equity suddenly vanish and the streets get cleaned up. That’s very weird. What kind of message does that send?
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It means California politicians like Gavin Newsom know San Francisco is an embarrassment and they don’t care about their residents, they only care about impressing Xi Jinping. If it weren’t so sad, it would actually be funny.” ”
https://tinyurl.com/mr3a8b2b

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Glen223 November 12, 2023 - 7:55 PM - 7:55 PM

Didn’t newsom state that he he was gonna homelessness in SF when he was mayor?

Yet the idiots still praise him.

Never trust a democrat.

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Glen223 November 14, 2023 - 8:54 PM - 8:54 PM

“….gonna END homelessness…”

Original G November 11, 2023 - 1:42 PM - 1:42 PM

bidenomics, build back better = “The U.S. credit rating was given a negative outlook by Moody’s Investor Service in part due to the ballooning U.S. debt.”
https://tinyurl.com/42zhjx4p
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DEM naive stupidity, everything will stay the same as they raise taxes on the rich.
New Jersey, California and New York . . . . . . did it.
Think about it, increase taxes on the group most able to leave the state. WRONG !
DEM politicians in CA are shallow thinkers.
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Simply how libels think . . . . . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLwANVtnkA must watch
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‘New York loses 10 billionaires in four years as magnates flee for Florida’
https://tinyurl.com/3f6yznw7
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In CA not only the rich are leaving,
‘California grieving: Two thirds of Golden State residents say its economy is tanking, with low wages and high rents driving millions to consider joining Joe Rogan and Mark Wahlberg and leaving’
https://tinyurl.com/4fpmdvaz

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Original G November 11, 2023 - 4:58 PM - 4:58 PM

Appears U.S. credit rating has been downgraded twice.
2023 biden and 2011 obama
https://budget.house.gov/resources/staff-working-papers/us-debt-credit-rating-downgraded-only-second-time-in-nations-history

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DOH November 12, 2023 - 6:58 PM - 6:58 PM

Both times the cause was a Republican congress refusing to fund the government.

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The Professor November 13, 2023 - 9:28 AM - 9:28 AM

Another way of looking at it is that both times it was because of a Democrat administration that refused to rein in spending.

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Exit 12A November 11, 2023 - 5:29 PM - 5:29 PM

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Perhaps you can explain to us how the national debt is attributed to each administration.
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Is it simply from the assumption of office to the end of the administration? .
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Or are the figures adjusted for debt created by the previous administration but incurred in the following administration?
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Also, it’s also important for readers to note the following:

“President George W. Bush was the first president to add a multi-trillion-dollar amount to the debt to finance the war on terror, and Presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump followed suit, the former primarily to combat the Great Recession and the latter mostly to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.”
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JWB November 11, 2023 - 6:23 PM - 6:23 PM

Sorry my bad I got the years mixed up and certainly would not want to not correct it.
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By the end of 2016 the debt was at $19.58 trillion and by the end of 2019 grew to $22.72 trillion which still added about $3.2 trillion to the debt prior to the coronavirus pandemic.

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 11, 2023 - 6:30 PM - 6:30 PM

JWB,
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If you want to compare dollar amounts that were added to the national debt under each president the numbers should actually be adjusted for inflation or you should look at the percentage the debt hasn increased by President.
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Events that happen under each president also contribute to the debt. The increase in population since 1900 when we had about 80 million people compared to the 340 million we have today also can contributes to the dollar amount differences in debt under each president. Then we also have interest on the debt which contributes to each successive president incuring more debt. Lastly, we have two parties in Congress that set the spending and refuse to negotiate with each other.
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This article about the tweet by President Biden where he claims to have reduced the national debt by $1.7 trillion has caused quite a bit of confusion in calculating the debt under his presidency, despite it having been debunked.
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https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-joe-biden-bring-down-national-debt-trillion-1799499

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JWB November 12, 2023 - 7:11 AM - 7:11 AM

sure here is the percentage debt increase by President.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/136699/percent-change-national-debt-president-us/
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You can see the leaders are actually the “R”s given that Bush I and Trump managed their increases in just one term.

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JWB November 12, 2023 - 10:56 AM - 10:56 AM

I noted for some reason the statista link doesn’t open. You can either google “US debt by President”
or you can see the following percent increases below:
Biden (through present) 8.79%
Trump 40.43%
Obama 69.97%
GW Bush 105.08%
Clinton 31.64%
GHW Bush 54.39%
Reagan 186.36%

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 12, 2023 - 12:40 PM - 12:40 PM

JWB,
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You again appear to be using incorrect numbers. The national debt since President Biden took office has increased by approximately $6.04 trillion dollars, to approximately $33.7 trillion, according to the “US National Debt Clock.” You yourself stated the national debt was approximately $19.58 trillion at the end of 2016, before President Trump took office, and you stated the nationl debt increased by $8.1 trillion over his presidency, bringing the national debt up to approximately $27.68 trillion when President Biden took office. The national debt today is approximately $33.72 trillion, an increase of approximately $6.04 trillion. Do you really believe the approximate $6.04 trillion increase in the debt under President Biden is 8.79%, while an $8.1 trillion increase under President Trump is 40.43%.
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Also, why did you stop at President Reagan? You should’ve at least gone back as far as President Hoover to cover the modern era, or back to President Teddy Roosevelt in 1901, as that’s how far back the link in your original post went.
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We all know that the debt under President Franklin Roosevelt increased the most by percentage over his 3 terms in office. The link in your original post stated the percentage increase in debt under his presidency was 1047.43%, which averages out to be 345.82% per term. As you’ve made it clear the events that a president deals with while in office, such as depressions, recessions, terrorist attacks, and wars, don’t matter.

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Glen223 November 12, 2023 - 7:51 PM - 7:51 PM

Jwb is a master at cherry-picking stats to fit his own narrative,

Never trust a democrat. Any democrat.

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Exit 12A November 12, 2023 - 5:30 PM - 5:30 PM
JWB November 12, 2023 - 8:04 PM - 8:04 PM

Thanks for the link. It’s pretty consistent with what I posted.
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Ronald Reagan $1,604,482,712,041.16 160.8%
George W. Bush $4,217,261,484,712.34 72.6%
Barack Obama $7,663,615,710,425.00 64.4%
George H. W. Bush $1,207,189,695,334.34 42.3%
Richard Nixon $121,339,561,890.14 34.3%
Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60 33.1%
Jimmy Carter $208,861,000,000.00 29.9%
Bill Clinton $1,262,689,326,747.48 28.6%
Theodore Roosevelt $483,479,337.65 22.6%
Gerald Ford $87,244,000,000.00 16.4%
Herbert Hoover $2,555,913,960.03 15.1%
Lyndon B. Johnson $35,865,507,168.58 11.5%
Joe Biden $2,499,993,043,258.10 8.8%
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It obviously depends a little bit with the current administration what date you use and as it is stated in the investorpedia article “The data above is based on U.S. fiscal years that most closely align with a president’s inauguration.”
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But no matter how you slice it Trump with one term is quite up on that list

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 12, 2023 - 9:49 PM - 9:49 PM

EXIT 12A,
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Thank you. It appears that I was correct and JWB was posting numbers for President Biden which were based on debt incurred by fiscal year beginning October 01, 2021, while posting debt incurred by dates of service for President Trump and other presidents.

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 13, 2023 - 6:52 PM - 6:52 PM

JWB,
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If you think the last numbers you posted are consistent with the original numbers you posted, then you must be the guy who sold the federal government $10,000.00 toilet seat covers and $14,000.00 toilet seats.
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The fact is you posted numbers for past presidents based on debt incurred over their terms in office, while you posted numbers for President Biden based on debt incurred by fiscal year.
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You chose to make an issue of the debt incurred under President Trump’s term in office from $19.96 trillion to $27.76 trillion, an increase of $7.80 trillion, while the debt incurred under President Biden’s term in office, so far, has increased from $27.76 trillion to $33.72 trillion, an increase of $5.96 trillion over approximately 2 years and 10 months in office.
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President Biden will likely have incurred $7 trillion to $8 trillion in debt by the end of his term in office, if not more. Why do you find the $7.8 trillion under President Trump’s term in office unacceptable, while the debt under President Biden has increased by $5.96 trillion over the 34 months of his term to be acceptable?
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You listed President Theodore Roosevelt, did you mean Franklin Roosevelt, because he’s missing from your list, as are Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Truman?

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JWB November 13, 2023 - 8:20 PM - 8:20 PM

BK you can discuss it with Exit 12A the number were provided by him.

And let’s see under Trump an increase of $7.80 trillions on a basis of $19.96 trillion represents an increase of 39% for Biden using your high estimate of $8.0 trillion on a basis of $27.76 trillion represents 28,8%. So tell me the debt increase more under Biden than Trump.
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Remember your said “you should look at the percentage the debt hasn increased by President.”
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I’m really done with you trying to bend the facts.

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 14, 2023 - 2:27 AM - 2:27 AM

JWB,
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Had you not tried to mislead everyone to begin with by providing numbers for President Biden under a different metric there never would’ve been an issue. The $5.96 trillion that has been added to the debt since President Biden took office, which is the metric you posted you were judging debt by, is about 21.4%, not the 8.9% that you tried to pass off to everyone. Honesty was the issue, just say you were wrong with numbers you originally posted for President Biden which made things extremely skewed. You’ve chosen to not correct the numbers you originally posted.
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Remember, you posted “It obviously depends a little bit with the current administration what date you use.” No, it matters that you use the same dates with every president/administration, either by term or by fiscal year. You’re still trying to play the same game by trying to carve out an exemption for President Biden by implying you can count debt increases under his term differently from past presidents.
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I never said the increase in debt, in dollars spent, was going to be higher under President Biden than President Trump, but it could be. At this point in President Biden’s term it looks like he and President Trump will have had pretty close to the same amounts in debt added over their terms. Remember, how you specifically complaind about President Trump increasing the debt by $8.1 trillion in one term? You posted that on your original post that was removed.
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Yes, I did say “If you want to compare dollar amounts that were added to the national debt under each president the numbers should actually be adjusted for inflation or you should look at the percentage the debt hasn increased by President.” I don’t dispute that.
That was because your original “USA Today” link went back to 1901 and included presidents who had increases in debt over their terms in millions of dollars, billions of dollars, and trillions of dollars, which makes comparisons further back in history more difficult. I also have never disputed the fact that the percentage of debt added under President Trump’s term will almost assuredly be a higher percentage than the debt added under President Biden’s term. Again, the issue is you wanted to make comparisons based on dollar amounts, where you posted false numbers in both dollars and percentages.
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You still seem to not understand the differences between dollar amounts, percentages, term in office, and fiscal years. This is just like last week when I disagreed with you over one race, in one state, in the election and you played the same games that you’re so fond of, as you always do. The only one here playing “mental gymnastics” and “bending the facts” is you.

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 12, 2023 - 1:17 PM - 1:17 PM

JWB,
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There you go again with your MAGA obsession.
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I do agree that too much was spent and added to the debt while President Trump was in office, especially after seeing how the City of Concord spent corona virus money, just as I believe most presidents and congresses have spent to much money and added too much to the debt.
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However, I disagree with the numbers, in dollars and percentages, that you’ve been putting up for President Biden. I believe you’re either misinformed or being dishonest, because your numbers aren’t adding up, unless you’re not telling us how you’re coming up with the numbers for President Biden. You’ve made it look like you’re numbers are for when a president was in office, but your numbers for President Biden make it look like you might be posting numbers based on fiscal years, not over the dates a president was in office.

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RunDog November 11, 2023 - 6:39 PM - 6:39 PM

JWB; “Ballooned” is a good description,. Biden’s economic plan is full of gas!

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Jeff (the other one) November 11, 2023 - 8:26 PM - 8:26 PM

Please remember it is the House that is in charge of the purse. Granted the President signs off, but all bills, and this untenable debt, has its start with Congress. Pelosi is truly the one who should be made to feel shame for this, but that soulless wretch does not know/understand shame. And, debt under biden (3 years) has grown over $5 trillion (according to investopedia).

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Original G November 11, 2023 - 9:32 PM - 9:32 PM

Business needs to have confidence in legislative and executive branches of government.
Business needs regulatory certainty and political stability.
Neither of which happened during 2 terms of obama, nor the third term we’re now enduring.
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Downgrade in 2011 followed 111th Congress (2009–2011)
House controlled by Democrats Senate controlled by Democrats
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Downgrade in 2023 followed 117th Congress (2021–2023)
House controlled by Democrats Senate controlled by Democrats
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Speaker of House in both 111th and 117th Congress was pelosi.
Some refer to her as fiscal terrorist but we’ll have to wait on history to decide that.
CHum

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Captain Bebops November 12, 2023 - 9:18 AM - 9:18 AM

And Bay Area counties are now mandating masks again in medical facilities. In prior times that might have merited an article here though it was mentioned under the BayAreaOtherNews under News. Maybe they are afraid of scaring away advertisers.

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Original G November 12, 2023 - 1:22 PM - 1:22 PM

SF now has APEC “exclusion zones”

‘Build the Wall! …
Around San Francisco for Asian-Pacific Economic Summit’
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‘These Democrats are essentially locking the dignitaries up to keep them from discovering just how bad and dangerous the town is – and they say that border fencing doesn’t work’
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“This surely must be from the “you can’t make this stuff up” department: San Francisco is building walls around the area where the the Asian-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Summit is going in – for security.” …
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“Oh the injustice of the walls… how inhumane… walls are ineffective… the wall is bigoted… the wall is creating an humanitarian crisis… the wall is destroying ecosystems… the wall is unethical…
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We’ve watched all of the insincere hand wringing and heard all of the reasons walls don’t work – until Democrats need a wall to keep the riff-raff out.”…
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“They are essentially locking the dignitaries up to keep them from discovering just how bad and dangerous the town is. And these are the Democrats who say that border fencing doesn’t work,” he said. “The same leftists that claim that fences and walls do not work and are inhumane are the same leftists that live behind fences and walls.”
Katy Grimes, caglobe https://tinyurl.com/2p8urx2y
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biden is coming to town perhaps to show french laundry kid how it’s done ?
Solar and electric cars both of which are reliant upon and a money maker for communist china.
Why is it America didn’t embrace compressed natural gas to power vehicles?
Large vehicle fleets and many transit buses operate on natural gas but we had to use technology that makes money for china.
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Some might wonder who’s getting 10% . . . . . . . . .

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THE BLACK KNIGHT November 12, 2023 - 8:08 PM - 8:08 PM

Original G,
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If we were going to move away from gas and diesel we should’ve moved towards natural gas, hydrogen, and/or hybrids. When former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger would talk about having “hydrogen highways” throughout California, he was right, we should’ve moved in that direction. I know several people who have/had flex-fuel or bi-fuel vehicles and their biggest complaints were finding the alternative fuels. I remember spending time in Los Angeles over a decade ago and using CNG powered taxi cabs.

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whenwilltheylearn November 12, 2023 - 4:22 PM - 4:22 PM

They are passing bills to reduce Pete Buttileg and Jean Pierres salary to $1,for doing nothing at work and lying to America

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The Professor November 13, 2023 - 7:10 AM - 7:10 AM

That’s still too much.

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The Fearless Spectator November 14, 2023 - 10:29 AM - 10:29 AM

They made a deal that Pete gets to keep his Village People boots. They make a bold fashion statement when touring a transportation disaster weeks after it happened.

Exit 12A November 12, 2023 - 6:31 PM - 6:31 PM

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Anyone who supports or endorses the Biden administration in any way must also be supportive of illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, and lax border security.
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The big question is, “Why?”
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Glen223 November 12, 2023 - 7:48 PM - 7:48 PM

@12a….

Because they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

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Original G November 13, 2023 - 12:04 PM - 12:04 PM

Those who are dependent upon government for their financial well being.
Either thru employment or welfare type payments.
DEMs strive to increase numbers of both.

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DOH November 12, 2023 - 7:05 PM - 7:05 PM

Trump in court:
“I Never Lie About Numbers,” Says Man Who Claims to Weigh 215 Pounds.

Lawyer, “Did you look at the numbers in 2021?”
Trump, “I was so busy in the White House with China, Russia and keeping the country…”
Lawyer, “You were not the President in 2021.”

People are giving Joe Biden a hard time about his age but Ivanka is 42 and she can’t remember anything.

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Glen223 November 15, 2023 - 2:30 PM - 2:30 PM

Doh is another one with TDS.

Just can’t get away from that, can you?

But you just worship the idiot in the WH.

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Original G November 13, 2023 - 8:22 AM - 8:22 AM

Well ain’t it Grand, . . . . . . . streets are clean and homeless are outta sight.
Streets are flooded by a couple thousand members of law enforcement.
A politician’s look good is a powerful motivator.
After Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit, how soon before streets return to their usual festering, excrement stained, needle strewn with tents blocking sidewalks?
Cumulative result of electing DEMs, . . . . at all levels of government local and state.
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If DEMs had a clue shouldn’t they have fixed things by now ? ? ?
ONLY cure is to stop electing clueless mirror worshiping DEMs.
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‘San Francisco cleans up its filthy streets as Xi Jinping visits from China’
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/2phbcam7

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Glen223 November 13, 2023 - 1:30 PM - 1:30 PM

Again – what the democrats do is only for appearance; they haven’t actually solved one damn problem.

Nor will they ever – they just keep throwing (your) money at it and pretend/point fingers.

And nobody can prove me wrong.

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The Professor November 13, 2023 - 2:40 PM - 2:40 PM

“Defund the police!” Yet they bring in officers from outside agencies.
“The unhoused are people too!” Yet they force relocation of the homeless.
“Walls and border enforcement don’t work, and are racist!” Yet they form a perimeter to keep the peons away.

Pure hypocricy by our political betters. And SF taxpayers foot the bill while Gavin and Pooh hob knob.

How long after the communists leave will SF revert back to it’s feces stained, and syringe littered outdoor drug den? My guess is before the planes reach cruising altitude.

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Dr. Jellyfinger November 14, 2023 - 7:37 AM - 7:37 AM

Geez…. I wish I’d thought of that…. and Johnny Walker Black too.

Original G November 14, 2023 - 8:19 PM - 8:19 PM

Appears management of macy’s is intent on business suicide.
Strange how after so many prior examples, leftist mindset has metastasized once again.
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‘Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade Transgender ‘Extravaganza’ Sparks Boycott’
newsweek https://tinyurl.com/34h9meuk

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Original G November 14, 2023 - 8:47 PM - 8:47 PM

Building a camp fire one might stack wood to ensure airflow and maximum heat.
I-10 fire in LA was fueled by wooden shipping pallets stacked up beneath the freeway within feet of underside of freeway. Land under that freeway is reportedly owned by CalTrans.
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Combustible material packed under an elevated freeway. Supposedly “smart” people allowed condition to exist.
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‘Gov. Newsom Claims I-10 Fire is Arson; Others Say Homeless Lived Under the Freeway’
‘The governor is attempting to rewrite the story and contain the damage to his presidential run’
Katy Grimes caglobe https://tinyurl.com/yunsuyzd
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Outstanding piece by Chris Bray of ‘Tell Me How This Ends’
Extensive PICs and well done video of fire.
‘California is Governed by Worthless Human Garbage, and
They’ve Failed Completely at Every Single Thing They’re Supposed to Do’
https://tinyurl.com/275hhuns

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Glen223 November 16, 2023 - 8:30 AM - 8:30 AM

And you know who voted for the “worthless human garbage.”

And again, those morons will either redirect that statement (which says they’re guilty), or accept it (which means they’re guilty).

Must suck to be a liberal/democrap these days…especially when you’ve got nothing more than a “check-the-box” administration and appointees.

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